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		<title>By: Ralph</title>
		<link>http://investing-school.com/analysis/beta-and-alpha-returns-for-us-sane-investor/comment-page-1/#comment-92094</link>
		<dc:creator>Ralph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 17:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The following statement is wrong: 

&quot;If the stock moves exactly as the market does, the beta of it will be 0.&quot;

Corrected, the statement should be:

&quot;If the stock moves exactly as the market does, the beta of it will be 1&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The following statement is wrong: </p>
<p>&#8220;If the stock moves exactly as the market does, the <a href="http://investing-school.com/analysis/beta-and-alpha-returns-for-us-sane-investor/" >beta</a> of it will be 0.&#8221;</p>
<p>Corrected, the statement should be:</p>
<p>&#8220;If the stock moves exactly as the market does, the beta of it will be 1&#8243;</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://investing-school.com/analysis/beta-and-alpha-returns-for-us-sane-investor/comment-page-1/#comment-26262</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 06:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;When you see beta less than 1, it means that the stock goes down every time the market goes up. &quot;

Can I point out that this is just plain wrong?  A beta of less than 1.0 does not mean an asset has a negatively correlation with the market.  If an asset has a beta of less than 1.0 but greater than 0.0, it means the asset goes up when the market goes up but not as much as the market.   It also means that the asset does not fall as much when the market declines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;When you see <a href="http://investing-school.com/analysis/beta-and-alpha-returns-for-us-sane-investor/" >beta</a> less than 1, it means that the stock goes down every time the market goes up. &#8221;</p>
<p>Can I point out that this is just plain wrong?  A beta of less than 1.0 does not mean an <a href="http://investing-school.com/definition/what-the-heck-is-an-asset/" >asset</a> has a negatively correlation with the market.  If an asset has a beta of less than 1.0 but greater than 0.0, it means the asset goes up when the market goes up but not as much as the market.   It also means that the asset does not fall as much when the market declines.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Curmudgeon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Curmudgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 02:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beta is the expected relationship between an individual stock&#039;s return and the market return.  I.e. it is the coefficient in the simple regression of stock return on market return.   As you say, a stock with beta of 2 can be expected to return twice the market return, so if the market is up 10% you would expect the stock to be up 20%.  However, stocks with betas less than one but larger than zero are not negatively correlated to the market as you have stated.  A stock with a beta of 0.5 would be expected to return half the market return, so if the market is up 10% you would expect the stock to gain 5%.

Stocks with negative beta are inversely related to the market, so a stock with a beta of -1.0 would be expected to go in the opposite direction of the market but in the same magnitude.  E.g. if the market is up 10% you would expect that stock to be down 10%.  It is not clear that stocks with negative betas exist in the real world, other than such things as short funds.

Beta is indeed, as you say, a measure of risk.  However, it is not a complete measure of risk, only a measure of one aspect of it.  Stocks with high betas are by definition relatively volatile, because the market is volatile, but stocks with low betas are not, as you state,  necessarily low risk.  The classic example is  a small biotech which could be very volatile but have a beta of zero, as it will go up or down based on the results of drug trials, etc.

Generally, the term alpha is used to refer to a manager&#039;s stock picking value added,  and is not used to describe a particular stock.  Strictly speaking, it is the intercept of the regression mentioned above, not the error term, so even if applied to a single stock would not, as you say,  represent everything that affects a stock returns other than beta.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://investing-school.com/analysis/beta-and-alpha-returns-for-us-sane-investor/" >Beta</a> is the expected relationship between an individual stock&#8217;s return and the market return.  I.e. it is the coefficient in the simple regression of stock return on market return.   As you say, a stock with beta of 2 can be expected to return twice the market return, so if the market is up 10% you would expect the stock to be up 20%.  However, stocks with betas less than one but larger than zero are not negatively correlated to the market as you have stated.  A stock with a beta of 0.5 would be expected to return half the market return, so if the market is up 10% you would expect the stock to gain 5%.</p>
<p>Stocks with negative beta are inversely related to the market, so a stock with a beta of -1.0 would be expected to go in the opposite direction of the market but in the same magnitude.  E.g. if the market is up 10% you would expect that stock to be down 10%.  It is not clear that stocks with negative betas exist in the real world, other than such things as short funds.</p>
<p>Beta is indeed, as you say, a measure of risk.  However, it is not a complete measure of risk, only a measure of one aspect of it.  Stocks with high betas are by definition relatively volatile, because the market is volatile, but stocks with low betas are not, as you state,  necessarily low risk.  The classic example is  a small biotech which could be very volatile but have a beta of zero, as it will go up or down based on the results of drug trials, etc.</p>
<p>Generally, the term <a href="http://investing-school.com/analysis/beta-and-alpha-returns-for-us-sane-investor/" >alpha</a> is used to refer to a manager&#8217;s stock picking value added,  and is not used to describe a particular stock.  Strictly speaking, it is the intercept of the regression mentioned above, not the error term, so even if applied to a single stock would not, as you say,  represent everything that affects a stock returns other than beta.</p>
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		<title>By: Personal Finance News Carnival Volume 2 &#124; Peak Personal Finance</title>
		<link>http://investing-school.com/analysis/beta-and-alpha-returns-for-us-sane-investor/comment-page-1/#comment-1921</link>
		<dc:creator>Personal Finance News Carnival Volume 2 &#124; Peak Personal Finance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 05:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] School presents Beta and Alpha Returns for Us Sane Investors posted at Investing School, saying, &#8220;Beta and alpha calculations might be just the ticket for [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] School presents <a href="http://investing-school.com/analysis/beta-and-alpha-returns-for-us-sane-investor/" >Beta</a> and <a href="http://investing-school.com/analysis/beta-and-alpha-returns-for-us-sane-investor/" >Alpha</a> Returns for Us Sane Investors posted at Investing School, saying, &#8220;Beta and alpha calculations might be just the ticket for [...]</p>
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		<title>By: 129th Edition of the Festival of Stocks</title>
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		<dc:creator>129th Edition of the Festival of Stocks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Beta and Alpha Returns for Us Sane Investors posted at Investing School. Beta and alpha are simply defined and explained here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] <a href="http://investing-school.com/analysis/beta-and-alpha-returns-for-us-sane-investor/" >Beta</a> and <a href="http://investing-school.com/analysis/beta-and-alpha-returns-for-us-sane-investor/" >Alpha</a> Returns for Us Sane Investors posted at Investing School. Beta and alpha are simply defined and explained here. [...]</p>
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		<dc:creator>The 25th Bankruptcy &#38; Debt Carnival</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 13:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] School presents Beta and Alpha Returns for Us Sane Investors posted at Investing School, saying, &#8220;Beta and alpha calculations might be just the ticket for [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] School presents <a href="http://investing-school.com/analysis/beta-and-alpha-returns-for-us-sane-investor/" >Beta</a> and <a href="http://investing-school.com/analysis/beta-and-alpha-returns-for-us-sane-investor/" >Alpha</a> Returns for Us Sane Investors posted at Investing School, saying, &#8220;Beta and alpha calculations might be just the ticket for [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Life Carnival #33 &#124; Rich Life Equals Better Life</title>
		<link>http://investing-school.com/analysis/beta-and-alpha-returns-for-us-sane-investor/comment-page-1/#comment-1839</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich Life Carnival #33 &#124; Rich Life Equals Better Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 06:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] School presents Beta and Alpha Returns for Us Sane Investors posted at Investing School, saying, &#8220;Beta and alpha calculations might be just the ticket for [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] School presents <a href="http://investing-school.com/analysis/beta-and-alpha-returns-for-us-sane-investor/" >Beta</a> and <a href="http://investing-school.com/analysis/beta-and-alpha-returns-for-us-sane-investor/" >Alpha</a> Returns for Us Sane Investors posted at Investing School, saying, &#8220;Beta and alpha calculations might be just the ticket for [...]</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beta is very important when analyzing stocks.  It gives you a gauge of how volatile the stock can be without you adding subjective judgment.  Great explanation!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://investing-school.com/analysis/beta-and-alpha-returns-for-us-sane-investor/" >Beta</a> is very important when analyzing stocks.  It gives you a gauge of how volatile the stock can be without you adding subjective judgment.  Great explanation!</p>
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